The new volume expands on the original with more enigmatic photos of men from different contexts, classes and corners of the world, across a century not known for tolerance or diversity. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Xtra<\/em> spoke with Nini and Treadwell about what\u2019s new in this volume, what\u2019s surprising about the lives of queer men in that era and what\u2019s left to discover about queer history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Neal Treadwell:<\/strong> We found the first photograph about 25 years ago. We were just messing around on a Sunday afternoon in an antiques mall and I found the first one mixed in with a bunch of photographs of homes. <\/p>\n\n\n\n It was a really sweet photo. Two guys embracing each other, one from behind, standing in front of a home. We thought it was probably the only one that we would ever see. I think it was about 70 years old. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Every time we would find one, which wasn’t very often in the beginning, we would keep it. It wasn\u2019t until about three, four, 500 into it that we realized we were actually collecting something. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Hugh Nini: <\/strong>When we would come across one, we were so surprised that it had ever been taken in the first place. This little piece of paper had lasted sometimes 100 years or more. We felt like we were in sort of a preservation mode, making sure these photographs didn\u2019t fall into obscurity for any longer. <\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> The price of these photos has gone up substantially because everyone wants their own. Some people have come to us, but we already had really good connections that are out there. We always saw that someone else would have a collection like ours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Usually, they\u2019re collecting what they would consider a cute gay man in a photo. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Credit: Hugh Nini and Neal Treadwell<\/span><\/p><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> Out of a collection of over 4,000 photographs, we have only one story. <\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s from World War II. Two soldiers who are in our first book: Johnny and Dariel. So these two guys, they\u2019re both from Texas, like Neal and I are. They met at basic training camp in Oklahoma in 1942. They belonged to, of all ironically named divisions in the U.S. Army, the Rainbow Division. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Johnny was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy at the end of the war and lived his life in a wheelchair with his mother, next door to his sister and her sons. In 1992, he invited his nephew, who was 17 at the time, over to the house and said, \u201cI\u2019ve got something for you and you can\u2019t tell Grandma and you can\u2019t tell your mom about it. It\u2019s this shoebox\u2014please keep it safe after I\u2019m gone.\u201d For a long time, the nephew never looked in the box, didn\u2019t know what was in there. It was 20 years later that he, out of curiosity, opened it up and found all of these photographs of his uncle and the other man. <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> In book two, we did four things. <\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> One was the versos [writing on the back of the photos]. Some of the better ones, we put in there. One is, \u201cMy dandy Uncle Declan and his boy homosexual.\u201d We think a niece probably wrote it on the photo. There\u2019s one of two guys; one\u2019s pushing the other in a wheelbarrow with a little girl, and it says, \u201cMy boyfriend pushing Shirley and I.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> The other thing we did was we included people who apparently identify as female. We have about four photographs, I think. <\/p>\n\n\n\n And then the third thing: we started to notice a pattern. At first, we thought we were getting photographs that weren\u2019t taken very well, the guys would be looking away from the camera or something like that. And then we realized that was actually intentional on their part. They were taking photographs of themselves as a couple, but they were doing it in the safest way possible by not looking into the camera and showing their faces. <\/p>\n\n\n\n And the fourth category is that we included some photos that we would consider a little bit frisky. Not by any means porn or soft porn or anything like that, but they display some sexual energy, whereas we focused more on romantic energy before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> We can only guess based on the condition of some photos that obviously look like they were kept in a wallet or something and were taken out so they\u2019re a little damaged. Others are pristine and they do have a mark around the edge, so it looks like they were kept in a frame. We have one beautiful cabinet card that\u2019s probably from the 1870s. [A cabinet card is a style of photo popular in the late 1800s that was mounted on cardstock for display.]<\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> Most of them probably needed to be hidden, we would think. <\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> The fact that they had to go through several hands, some over 150 years, to make it to us … <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> We used to say to ourselves, \u201cIt was so much worse back then.\u201d But for these guys, that\u2019s not really true. And I think that people overstate how terrible it was back then, but they also overstate how wonderful it is today. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Back during those days, a gay couple was not a sermon in a church, a gay couple wasn\u2019t a political argument. <\/p>\n\n\n\n And our collection seems to say that there was a period between the 1890s and the 1920s where there was a relative abundance of freedom and joy that didn\u2019t exist, at least we can\u2019t see that it existed, before that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Credit: Hugh Nini and Neal Treadwell<\/span><\/p><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> You might be surprised to know that you could take a selfie as early as 1902. There was a device that was invented called a Faries Shutter Tripper. It\u2019s a hose that connects to the shutter of a camera, and at the other end is a squeeze ball. You squeeze it and it takes a picture. We have a photograph of what we call the first romantic male couple in a selfie taken around that time. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Photography was rare back then and when you took a photograph, it might be only one of a handful that you would take during your entire lifetime. <\/p>\n\n\n\n When you have these powerful feelings, when you meet somebody and you fall in love with them, like everybody else, you want to preserve that somehow with a photograph. It\u2019s a normal human impulse. These guys, since they\u2019re normal humans, had the same impulse, and therefore did the same thing that everybody else did. <\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> There was a period between around 1860 up to 1900, where there were photographs on pieces of tin. If you\u2019d go to the county fair, there was always someone there who was taking photos that way. There\u2019s no negative. So if you did a quick sleight of hand or something, or there was a cute photo with your boyfriend, there\u2019s only one of them. <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting. All of those other things, homosexuality, cross-dressing, drag, whatever you want to call that, criminality. Those have all been covered extensively in books and been out in the open. It was this one thing, this romantic aspect that, you know, was a little too real for most people to handle, and that\u2019s the one that was kept hidden. <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> Money always gives you more access to everything, doesn’t it? Between the 1850s and the 1950s, African-Americans had the least amount of money, the least amount of resources, the least amount of everything. Neil and I have collected every single photograph we have found of Black or biracial\/interracial couples, and the number out of 4,000 is about 20. The photographs are not out there. We would have seen them if they were. <\/p>\n\n\n\n But if a Black couple or an interracial couple had that look of romance and love in their eyes, we grabbed it, and those photographs are often very expensive because they\u2019re so rare. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Credit: Hugh Nini and Neal Treadwell<\/span><\/p><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> It\u2019s been in the conversation. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Our collection has been exhibited in Switzerland<\/a> and will open in Australia<\/a> this month. It is at a museum there and it\u2019s going to tour Australia for about probably a year or two and we hope then it will come to the United States. <\/p>\n\n\n\n I think in our dreams we could imagine the collection or parts of it in the MoMA or something like that on a permanent basis. <\/p>\n\n\n\n NT:<\/strong> Yeah, we still have our eye out all the time. <\/p>\n\n\n\n HN:<\/strong> We have plenty of photos for a Loving III<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n This interview has been edited for length and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" The new collection showcases men in love from the 1850s to the 1950s<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1217,"featured_media":278645,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"editorial_slug":"7","_editorial_slug":"7","exclude_from_latest_block":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,7],"contributors":[193],"topic":[1985,103],"clients":[],"series":[],"timeliness":[],"editorial_format":[2417],"type-of-work":[2536],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/278635"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1217"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=278635"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/278635\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":278729,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/278635\/revisions\/278729"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/278645"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=278635"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"contributors","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/contributors?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"topic","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topic?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"clients","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/clients?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"timeliness","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/timeliness?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"editorial_format","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/editorial_format?post=278635"},{"taxonomy":"type-of-work","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xtramagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/type-of-work?post=278635"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}How did you start collecting these pictures?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
Has anything changed in terms of how you collect these photos since the first book came out?<\/strong> <\/h4>\n\n\n\n
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Do you have a sense of who took these pictures?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
What\u2019s different about <\/strong>LOVING II<\/em><\/strong> compared to the first book?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
Do you have a sense of what people were taking these photos for, or what people were doing with them? Were they storing them? Were they displaying them? <\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
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What about the material conditions of actually taking these photos? Because certainly in the 1850s and early 1900s, cameras weren\u2019t as common as they are today. You\u2019d need someone to take and develop pictures, not to mention the cost. Do these pictures give you a sense of who had access to that?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
One of the interesting things about the <\/strong>LOVING<\/em><\/strong> series is that it\u2019s locating a history that a lot of us assumed didn\u2019t exist or wasn\u2019t recorded. Do you think there are gaps that are still to be filled in the record?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
You have a few photos of Black couples, but the book does feel overwhelmingly white. <\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
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Has anyone approached you about preserving your collection in an archive or a museum or anything like that?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n
Where does this go from here? Is there going to be a <\/strong>LOVING III<\/em><\/strong>? Are you still collecting these photos? <\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n